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Vantare's 120VAC Power Management System
10-10-2014, 14:51 (This post was last modified: 10-10-2014 22:22 by travelite.)
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Vantare's 120VAC Power Management System
All the magic happens in what Vantare calls the Bay Interface Module (BIM). The BIM is probably the most complex portion of the conversion's electrics. It allows remote control of the 120VAC motorized circuit breakers in the Main Distribution Panel (breaker box). A momentary push button switch panel upstairs in the living quarters lets the user select which loads are on or off. Pushing a switch sends a signal to the BIM instructing the BIM to change the state of the circuit breaker.

To accomplish this Vantare used a product developed by Square D called Powerlink AS. The unfortunate part is that Powerlink AS has been superseded by Powerlink G3 which will soon be superseded by G4... Sigh! (This only proves to me that it's wise to be able to debug and support the AS version rather than chase newer products that seem to have very short lifetimes). Fortunately, there are many NOS parts available for the AS; furthermore, I'm told that the system is very reliable but having a couple spare 15, 20, and 30A motorized circuit breakers on hand seems prudent.

The breaker box houses the Powerlink AS Programmable Interface Module (PIM) which is essentially a programmable controller. The PIM uses a low voltage bus to control each motorized circuit breaker. It does this by receiving Square D Sy/Max commands over an RS232 or RS485 bus. (I'm sure you recall the age old and venerable RS232 and RS485 protocols). Sy/Max is Square D's communication protocol

The Bay Interface Module receives a signal from the upstairs switch panel, it decodes the signal and translates it into a Sy/Max command and sends it out it's RS485 interface to the Powerlink Programmable Interface Module (PIM). The PIM then signals the motorized circuit breakers to make a change in state. The Bay Interface Module also drives the LEDs at the user switch panel: Green - circuit energized; Red - circuit deenergized; Blinking - load automatically pruned by the Automatic Power Management System.

The Automatic Power Management System is simplicity onto itself. It looks for available shore or generator power. If neither is available it sends a "phase-loss" signal to the PIM and the PIM uses it's internally pre-programmed configuration to prune off pre-configured loads preventing inverter breaker tripping. As far as I can tell, all configuration and circuit breaker state is stored in the PIM and it's fully programmable meaning that I can choose which loads get pruned.

So, the system uses two discrete components from Square-D, the Powerlink AS PIM and the 15/20/30 amp motorized circuit breakers. Vantare then homebuilt their control circuitry implementing Square D's Sy/Max protocol to drive the PIM and to drive the user switch panel LEDs and interface with the switch panel momentary buttons. The Power Management System is gotten virtually for free from the PIM. The BIM contains circa 2000 componentry. I really think that if I should have any issue with it, much of it can be replaced by an Arduino or similar single board computer, which would be a lot of fun! Smile

Here's a pic of the Powerlink PIM (A) in the pic and how it bolts cleanly into the panel box:

İmage

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10-15-2014, 14:07 (This post was last modified: 10-15-2014 14:09 by davidbrady.)
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RE: Vantare's 120VAC Power Management System
I decided that this system could do well with a jolt of good ole Wanderlodge ingenuity! I got my hands on a piece of software that runs one Windows XP that's used to program the Powerlink AS PIM. The software is called Panelcomm. My plan is to buy a replacement PIM to have as a spare and to configure it via Panelcomm so that it's a direct drop-in replacement for my existing PIM. I'll also purchase a set of spare 15/20/30A Powerlink AS circuit breakers. This will pretty much cover me in case of failure.

The missing link is support and replacements for the 4 single board micro-controllers that interface the upstairs user switches to the PIM. Their function is extraordinarily simple. They periodically poll the momentary user switches for input events, they then send commands to the PIM to enable or disable one or more of the motorized circuit breakers, and lastly they drive the multi-color LEDs at the user switch panel. I'm still investigating my plan of action, but I'd very much like to have touch pad (Ipad or Android) control of my breakers. Since the source code running on the micro-controllers isn't available, and asking the manufacturer to tool up for a run of programmed PIC16C57's may cost upwards of $10,000, I'm going to experiment with either an Arduino, Raspberry Pi, or Crestron control option, or maybe something else entirely.

The goal here is to provide remote circuit breaker control and power management support to myself and to my fellow Vantare owners, with the ultimate goal of expanding its control and offering touch pad control and remote online control. (recall the-internet-of-things)!

Sounds fun? Smile

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10-17-2014, 12:49 (This post was last modified: 10-17-2014 13:32 by travelite.)
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RE: Vantare's 120VAC Power Management System
Here's some pics of SpongeBob's 120VAC panel. You can see the Powerlink AS Power Interface Module (PIM) circled in red on the first pic. This module receives commands over an RS232 link. It then acts on these commands to manage the breakers. The commands are issued by micro-controllers in the Bay Interface Module (BIM). These micro-controller boards are no longer available so in the event of failure another solution will be needed, perhaps Arduino or RaspberryPi controllers.

İmage İmage İmage İmage

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